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==Tasks==
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Moving committee:
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Steve H, Jeff C, Darren B, Mark C, James P, Sean A, Jeffrey W, Carl K, Cate G, Lenore L, Geoffrey T, Joe D, Mike B, Pete S, Shaw T
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|Contact existing tenants in Lakewood and see if they can give us approximate utility cost||Jeffrey W, Geoffrey T
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|Get additional info from Brad regarding the state of the roof and past repairs, sample lease etc.||Carl K
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|Continue to look for other locations, get details, arrange site visits
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||Steve H
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|Revisit Scrap Exchange space now that they have moved in
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|Contact other organizations like Reinvestment Partners, City/County Government, UDI, Scientific Properties for non-profit friendly rental opportunities
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||Darren B, Jeff C
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|If we aren't moving get Ron to check the status of the roof fan and
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get drawings from Maverick Reality or from the county so we can get
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our venting for the laser done
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||Jeff C
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|Attempting to light a fire under peoples asses|| Darren B
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==Requirements==
 
==Requirements==
 
These are the things we '''must have''' in a space.
 
These are the things we '''must have''' in a space.
  
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* Classroom space; i.e. not just a workshop.
 
* Restroom facilities
 
* Restroom facilities
 
* Broadband internet hookup
 
* Broadband internet hookup
 
* Differently abled accessible (e.g. ramps, elevators)
 
* Differently abled accessible (e.g. ramps, elevators)
 
* Accessible parking/van parking
 
* Accessible parking/van parking
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* Wheelchair accessible restroom(s) (space for a wheelchair on one of the sides of the toilet)
 
* Airconditioned space, or the ability to provide it at a financially reasonable rate
 
* Airconditioned space, or the ability to provide it at a financially reasonable rate
  
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* Larger space than we have now
 
* Larger space than we have now
 
* Close to downtown
 
* Close to downtown
* At least partial heating and AC
 
 
* At ground-level (at least in part)
 
* At ground-level (at least in part)
 
* Easy to bring in large items (e.g. arcade cabinets, appliances)
 
* Easy to bring in large items (e.g. arcade cabinets, appliances)
 
* Availability of 220V/240V power connections (could be needed in the future for larger/more exotic tools and equipment)
 
* Availability of 220V/240V power connections (could be needed in the future for larger/more exotic tools and equipment)
 
* Good ventilations for welding/laser cutting and other tools techniques we can't use now
 
* Good ventilations for welding/laser cutting and other tools techniques we can't use now
* Lot's parking
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* Parking lot
 
* A separate room, with AC, we can put noisy servers in
 
* A separate room, with AC, we can put noisy servers in
 
* A separate room or area we can just pile everything in so there's less contention about keeping items around
 
* A separate room or area we can just pile everything in so there's less contention about keeping items around
* Wheelchair accessible restroom(s) (space for a wheelchair on one of the sides of the toilet)
 
  
 
==Possible Locations==
 
==Possible Locations==
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=== UDI Resource Center - 800 N Mangum St ===
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[http://www.udicdc.org/brc.htm Website]
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/sets/72157646958168332/ Photos]
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* '''Added to List on''': 8/29/2014
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* '''Cost''': 800-1400
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* '''Square feet''': variable, building is about 25,000
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* '''Aircon''': yes
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* '''Heat''': yes
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* '''Type of space''': Office
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* '''Utilties''': split between tenants
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* '''Internet''': ?
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* '''Bathrooms''': Yes
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* '''Parking''': Yes
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====Pros====
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* Renovated space that is still relatively cheap
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* Outside access to one of the available spaces
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* Lots of common areas that we could use that wouldn't cost us anything
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====Cons====
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* Most of the building is split up into small offices
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===Ample Storage Center - 715 East Geer St===
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[http://raleigh.craigslist.org/off/4609324793.html CraigsListAd]
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* '''Added to List on''': 8/11/2014
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* '''Cost''': ?
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* '''Square feet''': 2,200
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* '''Aircon''': ?
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* '''Heat''': ?
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* '''Type of space''': Warehouse
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* '''Utilties''': ?
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* '''Internet''': ?
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* '''Bathrooms''': Yes
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* '''Parking''': ?
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Quote from Craigslist Ad: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/off/4609324793.html
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"We currently have one 2200 Sqft office/warehouse space available at our Trinity Ave warehouse plaza. This unit has a lobby and bathroom in the front with a roll up door workshop in the back. This unit can be modified to fit almost any type of business.
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This location is perfect for an expanding landscaping business, contractors or any company looking for a large warehouse with a small lobby/office space."
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====Pros====
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* Large warehouse space
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* Rollup Bay Door
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====Cons====
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* Must subdivide the area into lab/workshop space
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* No A/C in warehouse space, no word yet on the office.
  
 
===Rosetta Dr===
 
===Rosetta Dr===
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/sets/72157634219651260/ Photos of building]
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/sets/72157634219651260/ Photos]
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* '''Cost''': ?
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* '''Square feet''': ?
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* '''Aircon''': No
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* '''Heat''': Partial
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* '''Type of space''': Warehouse
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* '''Utilties''': Not included
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* '''Internet''': Needs to be wired up, not included
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* '''Bathrooms''': Available in the other artist's space, accessible?
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* '''Parking''': A large, fenced in lot. Requires manually opening a gate for people to use it. Very dark, no external lighting.
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Rosetta Dr is a large warehouse space. The space is shared with a metal artist, but his space is divided off from the space we would be using. The majority of the space is underground, there is a window at the front of the space alongside the entrance.
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There is no division within the space--there was some indication the landlord would be willing to do modifications/renovations, with attendant increases in cost.
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====Pros====
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* Large warehouse space
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* Landlord willingness to renovate
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====Cons====
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* Location is a ways away from anything else downtown, hidden in a residential area.
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===Broadway===
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/9452613902/ Photo]
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/9452615196/ Another photo]
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/9449833883/ One more photo]
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* '''Cost''': ?
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* '''Square feet''': ?
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* '''Aircon''': Partial
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* '''Heat''': Partial
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* '''Type of space''': Warehouse
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* '''Utilities''': Not included
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* '''Internet''': ?
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* '''Bathrooms''': ?
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* '''Parking''': Small fenced in parking lot, requires manual opening of a gate.
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Broadway is one industrial bay and a small office area. It is shared with another business who may be moving out, at which point we could occupy the entire space. We would need to buildout in order to have an air conditioned space suitable for our needs. Whether modifications are possible isn't yet known--we need to meet up with the landlord.
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====Pros====
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====Cons====
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===W Corporation===
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/sets/72157635069453623/ Photos]
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcsackett/sets/72157635091587381/ More photos]
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* '''Cost''': 1100
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* '''Square feet''':?
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* '''Aircon''': Yes
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* '''Heat''': Yes
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* '''Type of space''': Warehouse
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* '''Utilities''': Not included
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* '''Internet''': Wired up, but not included
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* '''Bathrooms''': One tiny bathroom, not accessible
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* '''Parking''': A large, fenced in lot. Requires manually opening a gate for people to use it. Didn't see it at night, but there didn't appear to be any lighting.
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W Corporation is a divided warehouse. It has two rooms, both large, both industrial. One has a garage door as an entryway. Heating in one room is provided by a wood burning stove; the other has a heater. There is no airconditioning, but it may be possible to install ductless airconditioning in the smaller room with the garage door. It includes a large fenced lot and has a covered outdoor space.
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It needs modifications to suit our needs (in particular the bathroom) but the landlord is amenable to us doing it ourselves; the bathroom however requires a contractor, as plumbing/electric is involved in any sort of redesign.
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It also has a problem with water; the previous tenant reports that there are leaks down most walls, and we saw standing water in one of the two rooms on the last visit.
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====Pros====
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* Large space
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* Pretty good location
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* Two separate rooms allow us to separate the work/storage from meetup areas
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====Cons====
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* Needs work for AC
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* Needs work for accessible bathrooms
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===Snow Building===
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* '''Cost''': 1400
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* '''Square feet''': Annex: Approx 550. Main Room: ??
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* '''Aircon''': Yes
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* '''Heat''': Yes
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* '''Type of space''': Office
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* '''Utilities''': Included
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* '''Internet''': Included
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* '''Bathrooms''': Two bathrooms, accessible
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* '''Parking''': Large city lot; free on weekends/evenings, lit.
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The Snow Building is our current space. If we stay, the property manager has offered to give us the current conference room, control of the back stairs, and add venting to the either our current space or the conference room. Rent will increase. They will also replace the carpet if we continue to have complaints about odor.
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====Pros====
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* No moving
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* We would be given control of the back door up the stairs in the downstairs hallway, granting us our own door we could keep unlocked during meetings/events
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* We would be given ventilation either in the conference room (which now be ours) or in the current room
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* Having two separate rooms would allows us to separate storage/work areas from meetup areas.
  
===Cordoba (Warehouse behind Golden Belt)===
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====Cons====
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* Parking costs money a good part of the time
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* Very cramped for space
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* Acoustics don't support meetings + tool usage
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* Conference room not easy to use
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* No windows
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* Basement location: stairs/elevator access painful
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* Back access via parking feels unsafe to many people
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* No actual industrial space
  
===118 W Parrish St===
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===Lakewood Shopping Center (co-location with Scrap Exchange)===
* First floor location
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[http://www.flickr.com/photos/netscruff/sets/72157635276712322/ Photos]
* Wheelchair accessible
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* '''Cost''': ?
* Shared bathrooms on the floor
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* '''Square feet''':?
* 1 open space with 2 built out rooms in the back
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* '''Aircon''': Yes
* 2000 to 2400 sq ft
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* '''Heat''': Yes
* HVAC (controlled/shared for whole building)
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* '''Type of space''': Movie theater
* ''Internet situation is still unknown''
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* '''Utilities''': ?
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* '''Internet''': ?
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* '''Bathrooms''': 2 bathrooms in relatively good shape
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* '''Parking''': Huge lot with minimal conflicts with other tenants
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Not a lot of information about what our space would be. The building is under contract with the Scrap Exchange. Once the due-diligence period is over the Scrape Exchange will be in a position to talk to us about what our space requirements would be. This will occur on October 28, 2013. At the site visit the [http://www.durhambikecoop.org/ Durham Bike Co-op] was in attendance as they are being priced out of their location on Washington Street and are also interested in co-locating. The building is being sold for around $850000 and $75000 is being held in escrow for site repairs/upgrades. The Scrap Exchange has additional funds which they will use for even further upgrades. Their current lease at Golden Belt extends until March 2014. This building was originally a one screen movie theater expanded to two screens sometime in the 90's. Duke surplus was at this location for a while in the 90's. It's also been the site of a church and concert venue. Duke spent a considerable amount of money on the building with upgraded heating, ac and networking.
  
===Adding the conference room to our space===
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'''Utilities Costs for Other Tenants:'''
It turns out the propery manager for 118 W Parrish St is also our current property manager. Upon figuring out who we were and that we were looking for more space, an offer was made to also rent us the conference room in the Snow Building basement. Still figuring out the details there.
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*'''Making Choices'''*: Pays ~$450-500/month for Internet, heating, and AC. Making Choices uses 10,000 square feet.

Latest revision as of 15:16, 2 September 2014

Contents

Tasks

Moving committee: Steve H, Jeff C, Darren B, Mark C, James P, Sean A, Jeffrey W, Carl K, Cate G, Lenore L, Geoffrey T, Joe D, Mike B, Pete S, Shaw T

Task

Person

Contact existing tenants in Lakewood and see if they can give us approximate utility cost Jeffrey W, Geoffrey T
Get additional info from Brad regarding the state of the roof and past repairs, sample lease etc. Carl K
Continue to look for other locations, get details, arrange site visits Steve H
Revisit Scrap Exchange space now that they have moved in
Contact other organizations like Reinvestment Partners, City/County Government, UDI, Scientific Properties for non-profit friendly rental opportunities Darren B, Jeff C
If we aren't moving get Ron to check the status of the roof fan and

get drawings from Maverick Reality or from the county so we can get our venting for the laser done

Jeff C
Attempting to light a fire under peoples asses Darren B

Requirements

These are the things we must have in a space.

  • Classroom space; i.e. not just a workshop.
  • Restroom facilities
  • Broadband internet hookup
  • Differently abled accessible (e.g. ramps, elevators)
  • Accessible parking/van parking
  • Wheelchair accessible restroom(s) (space for a wheelchair on one of the sides of the toilet)
  • Airconditioned space, or the ability to provide it at a financially reasonable rate

Wants

These are nice to haves, in no particular order. Note that as various members likely want opposing things, given items may very well contradict each other. That's good! It means we can start talking about what makes the most people happiest.

  • Larger space than we have now
  • Close to downtown
  • At ground-level (at least in part)
  • Easy to bring in large items (e.g. arcade cabinets, appliances)
  • Availability of 220V/240V power connections (could be needed in the future for larger/more exotic tools and equipment)
  • Good ventilations for welding/laser cutting and other tools techniques we can't use now
  • Parking lot
  • A separate room, with AC, we can put noisy servers in
  • A separate room or area we can just pile everything in so there's less contention about keeping items around

Possible Locations

UDI Resource Center - 800 N Mangum St

Website Photos

  • Added to List on: 8/29/2014
  • Cost: 800-1400
  • Square feet: variable, building is about 25,000
  • Aircon: yes
  • Heat: yes
  • Type of space: Office
  • Utilties: split between tenants
  • Internet: ?
  • Bathrooms: Yes
  • Parking: Yes

Pros

  • Renovated space that is still relatively cheap
  • Outside access to one of the available spaces
  • Lots of common areas that we could use that wouldn't cost us anything

Cons

  • Most of the building is split up into small offices

Ample Storage Center - 715 East Geer St

CraigsListAd

  • Added to List on: 8/11/2014
  • Cost: ?
  • Square feet: 2,200
  • Aircon: ?
  • Heat: ?
  • Type of space: Warehouse
  • Utilties: ?
  • Internet: ?
  • Bathrooms: Yes
  • Parking: ?

Quote from Craigslist Ad: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/off/4609324793.html "We currently have one 2200 Sqft office/warehouse space available at our Trinity Ave warehouse plaza. This unit has a lobby and bathroom in the front with a roll up door workshop in the back. This unit can be modified to fit almost any type of business.

This location is perfect for an expanding landscaping business, contractors or any company looking for a large warehouse with a small lobby/office space."

Pros

  • Large warehouse space
  • Rollup Bay Door

Cons

  • Must subdivide the area into lab/workshop space
  • No A/C in warehouse space, no word yet on the office.

Rosetta Dr

Photos

  • Cost: ?
  • Square feet: ?
  • Aircon: No
  • Heat: Partial
  • Type of space: Warehouse
  • Utilties: Not included
  • Internet: Needs to be wired up, not included
  • Bathrooms: Available in the other artist's space, accessible?
  • Parking: A large, fenced in lot. Requires manually opening a gate for people to use it. Very dark, no external lighting.

Rosetta Dr is a large warehouse space. The space is shared with a metal artist, but his space is divided off from the space we would be using. The majority of the space is underground, there is a window at the front of the space alongside the entrance.

There is no division within the space--there was some indication the landlord would be willing to do modifications/renovations, with attendant increases in cost.

Pros

  • Large warehouse space
  • Landlord willingness to renovate

Cons

  • Location is a ways away from anything else downtown, hidden in a residential area.

Broadway

Photo Another photo One more photo

  • Cost: ?
  • Square feet: ?
  • Aircon: Partial
  • Heat: Partial
  • Type of space: Warehouse
  • Utilities: Not included
  • Internet: ?
  • Bathrooms: ?
  • Parking: Small fenced in parking lot, requires manual opening of a gate.

Broadway is one industrial bay and a small office area. It is shared with another business who may be moving out, at which point we could occupy the entire space. We would need to buildout in order to have an air conditioned space suitable for our needs. Whether modifications are possible isn't yet known--we need to meet up with the landlord.

Pros

Cons

W Corporation

Photos More photos

  • Cost: 1100
  • Square feet:?
  • Aircon: Yes
  • Heat: Yes
  • Type of space: Warehouse
  • Utilities: Not included
  • Internet: Wired up, but not included
  • Bathrooms: One tiny bathroom, not accessible
  • Parking: A large, fenced in lot. Requires manually opening a gate for people to use it. Didn't see it at night, but there didn't appear to be any lighting.

W Corporation is a divided warehouse. It has two rooms, both large, both industrial. One has a garage door as an entryway. Heating in one room is provided by a wood burning stove; the other has a heater. There is no airconditioning, but it may be possible to install ductless airconditioning in the smaller room with the garage door. It includes a large fenced lot and has a covered outdoor space.

It needs modifications to suit our needs (in particular the bathroom) but the landlord is amenable to us doing it ourselves; the bathroom however requires a contractor, as plumbing/electric is involved in any sort of redesign.

It also has a problem with water; the previous tenant reports that there are leaks down most walls, and we saw standing water in one of the two rooms on the last visit.

Pros

  • Large space
  • Pretty good location
  • Two separate rooms allow us to separate the work/storage from meetup areas

Cons

  • Needs work for AC
  • Needs work for accessible bathrooms

Snow Building

  • Cost: 1400
  • Square feet: Annex: Approx 550. Main Room: ??
  • Aircon: Yes
  • Heat: Yes
  • Type of space: Office
  • Utilities: Included
  • Internet: Included
  • Bathrooms: Two bathrooms, accessible
  • Parking: Large city lot; free on weekends/evenings, lit.

The Snow Building is our current space. If we stay, the property manager has offered to give us the current conference room, control of the back stairs, and add venting to the either our current space or the conference room. Rent will increase. They will also replace the carpet if we continue to have complaints about odor.

Pros

  • No moving
  • We would be given control of the back door up the stairs in the downstairs hallway, granting us our own door we could keep unlocked during meetings/events
  • We would be given ventilation either in the conference room (which now be ours) or in the current room
  • Having two separate rooms would allows us to separate storage/work areas from meetup areas.

Cons

  • Parking costs money a good part of the time
  • Very cramped for space
  • Acoustics don't support meetings + tool usage
  • Conference room not easy to use
  • No windows
  • Basement location: stairs/elevator access painful
  • Back access via parking feels unsafe to many people
  • No actual industrial space

Lakewood Shopping Center (co-location with Scrap Exchange)

Photos

  • Cost: ?
  • Square feet:?
  • Aircon: Yes
  • Heat: Yes
  • Type of space: Movie theater
  • Utilities: ?
  • Internet: ?
  • Bathrooms: 2 bathrooms in relatively good shape
  • Parking: Huge lot with minimal conflicts with other tenants

Not a lot of information about what our space would be. The building is under contract with the Scrap Exchange. Once the due-diligence period is over the Scrape Exchange will be in a position to talk to us about what our space requirements would be. This will occur on October 28, 2013. At the site visit the Durham Bike Co-op was in attendance as they are being priced out of their location on Washington Street and are also interested in co-locating. The building is being sold for around $850000 and $75000 is being held in escrow for site repairs/upgrades. The Scrap Exchange has additional funds which they will use for even further upgrades. Their current lease at Golden Belt extends until March 2014. This building was originally a one screen movie theater expanded to two screens sometime in the 90's. Duke surplus was at this location for a while in the 90's. It's also been the site of a church and concert venue. Duke spent a considerable amount of money on the building with upgraded heating, ac and networking.

Utilities Costs for Other Tenants:

  • Making Choices*: Pays ~$450-500/month for Internet, heating, and AC. Making Choices uses 10,000 square feet.